194-Easy No-Dig Gardening, with Charlie Nardozzi

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No-dig gardening is a simple gardening method that many gardeners — who were taught for years that they had to till or turn their gardens annually — still have many questions about. To demystify no-dig gardening and explain its benefits, my guest this week is my longtime friend Charlie Nardozzi, a nationally recognized garden writer, speaker, and radio and television personality.

Charlie lives in and works from Vermont and hosts public television’s “New England Gardening.” He also previously hosted the national television show “GardenSMART” on PBS — a show that I hosted myself after Charlie. He delivers talks and Master Gardening presentations nationally and has led garden tours throughout Europe and the Americas. He is also renowned for his writing, and his seventh book, released in December 2020, is “The Complete Guide to No-Dig Gardening,” a friendly, easy-to-read book with great illustrations.


Charlie Nardozzi

Charlie Nardozzi lives in and works from Vermont and hosts PBS’ “New England Gardening.” His seventh book is “The Complete Guide to No-Dig Gardening.” (photo: Courtesy of Charlie Nardozzi)


While tilling has been the norm in gardening and agriculture for a long time, it’s not the best way. As soil science has increased our understanding of the soil food web, it has become more and more clear that tilling is bad for the soil. Tilling wipes out microbes and releases carbon, while no-dig gardening provides a rich soil environment for plants with much less work on the gardener’s part. 

No-Dig Gardening Goes Back to How Things Were

Like the Hippocratic Oath for medical doctors — “do no harm” — the idea behind no-dig gardening is to refrain from harming the soil. Charlie explains that tilling and turning destroys the soil structure that naturally develops when soil is undisturbed.

Charlie points out that, in the long history of gardening and agriculture, it’s only relatively recently that tilling and turning the earth became a common way to try to increase production. No-dig gardening is a return to how farmers operated historically. 

Natural ecosystems, like a forest or grasslands, just grow — and no one is turning the soil or fertilizing, Charlie says. The idea behind no-dig gardening is to mimic a natural ecosystem by allowing the soil to develop its natural structure, life and vitality. As a result, the plants grow better, there is less work to do, and fewer disease and insect problems arise.

Soil that hasn’t been tilled is also more effective at sequestering carbon, so no-dig gardening is a tool to combat climate change. Charlie says when millions of gardeners collectively switch to practicing no-dig gardening, it will have a dramatic effect.

Tilling also uncovers countless weed seeds in the soil, exposing them to light and causing them to germinate. But when you practice no-dig gardening, positively photoblastic seeds will stay dormant indefinitely.


weeds growing

Tilling exposes weed seeds to light and air, causing long-dormant seeds to germinate.


Picking and Preparing a No-Dig Garden Site

Like with any garden, choose a sunny spot that will give you the most options for what you can grow. However, Charlie says a spot in partial shade is okay too, as long as you choose plants accordingly.

It also helps if a site is close to a water source and won’t be out of sight, out of mind. “Keep it close so that you walk by it every day,” Charlie says. “Because as the old saying goes, the best-tended garden is the one that has the footsteps of the gardener in it.”

If starting a garden on a lawn, mow the grass down low — there is no need to remove the grass completely unless it is a hard-to-kill grass like Bermuda or quackgrass. If starting in a weedy area, cover the weeds with flattened cardboard boxes with the tape and staples removed. For really aggressive weeds, consider using a geotextile — though Charlie notes that a geotextile barrier between native soil and the garden bed should be avoided when practical.

A 12-inch-high garden bed will be more susceptible to rhizomatous weeds than a taller bed, so Charlie recommends going as high as 3 or 4 feet as an alternative to using a geotextile.

Rather than preparing an area to plant a garden immediately, you can plan a year ahead. Pick the spot and put down multiple layers of cardboard to smother weeds. Alternatively, cover the spot in a plastic sheet to solarize the weeds and seeds in the sun. Weakening and killing weeds upfront will save a lot of work later on.


A layer of cardboard will smother grass and weeds, but for really aggressive grasses and weeds, geotextile is a strong barrier. Another option is to solarize the area over time with a plastic sheet.

A layer of cardboard will smother grass and weeds, but for really aggressive grasses and weeds, geotextile is a strong barrier. Another option to kill weeds is to solarize the area over time with a plastic sheet.


Layering a No-Dig Garden

No-dig gardening uses layers much like a compost pile: Layer “brown” and “green” materials as high as you desire, but a minimum of 10 or 12 inches high.

Brown materials are carbon-rich, such as leaves, straw, shredded paper and cardboard. Green materials are nitrogen-rich, such as fresh grass clippings and coffee grounds. 

“The fun thing about no-dig is that you don’t have to go out and buy a lot of the organic matter materials, like you would building a regular kind of bed,” Charlie says. Rather than buying topsoil and finished compost, you can just look around for what’s already on your property. 

In Charlie’s case, he used the hay and grasses that existed on the abandoned meadow where he built his home. On the coasts, chopped seaweed rinsed of salt is a good layering material. Near a forest, use chopped leaves.

Whatever the layers are, cap the top with finished compost. The layer of finished compost will inoculate the materials underneath with the microbes necessary for decomposition.

In a temperate climate where microbial composting activity slows down or stops in winter, start building a garden in April or May and use an extra-thick layer of compost, Charlie says. In a warmer climate, begin in the fall or winter, allowing the materials to break down for several months, after which they can be planted into.


Laying straw for no-dig gardening

Straw, leaves or whatever organic materials you have on hand can make a good layer for a no-dig garden.


Planting in a New No-Dig Garden

Because a brand-new no-dig garden does not have deep soil yet, it is a good idea to plant shallow-rooted crops early on. Cool-season crops like lettuce, arugula and radishes are perfect for this. 

Later on, the layers of materials will be broken down further and will be better primed for deep-rooted, warm-season crops that don’t require many nutrients, like peas or beans. These legumes are also nitrogen-fixing crops, which will benefit the crops that are planted in later years.

In its second year, a no-dig garden will be better suited to deep-rooted heavy feeders, such as tomatoes and squash.

Cover Crops on a No-Dig Garden

In his book, Charlie lists cover crops that don’t need to be tilled into the soil. Instead, he selected cover crops that will naturally die in freezing or subfreezing temperatures. Come spring, all the gardener has to do is top off the cover crops with compost. Some of these include annual ryegrass, field peas, mustard, sorghum grass and Japanese millet.

“Cover crops are a great way to not only build the soil as you’re getting started, but to continue that maintenance as you’re going along,” Charlie says.

Alternative No-Dig Gardening Method: Straw Bale Gardening

Straw bale gardening is a growing method that is fully no-dig. It starts with a straw bale conditioned with a nitrogen source, such as blood meal. The nitrogen and carbon-rich straw interact and the bale really heats up as microbial activity breaks the straw down and nutrients are released. Vegetables are planted right into the straw bales and may never come in contact with the ground.

Joel Karsten, the man who literally wrote the book on straw bale gardening, has been a guest on the podcast, and you can listen to our conversation for a comprehensive explanation of how it works.

Alternative No-Dig Gardening Method: Hugelkultur

Hugelkultur gardening is a method of growing on mounds of logs and twigs covered in other organic materials. Those logs can last as long as 20 years as they slowly break down, releasing nutrients into the soil. The mound will sink as materials decompose, and more organic material can continually be added to the top. The result, over time, is a very fertile mound where, in addition to annual crops, berries and even trees can grow.

Generally, putting carbon material close to roots is problematic because the carbon sources will take nitrogen from the soil as they biodegrade. However, in hugelkultur the logs are a base layer distant enough from the surface so there is no concern about the carbon-rich logs depleting nitrogen from the soil when the plants need it.

Hugelkultur is a great way to get rid of waste logs, and logs from deciduous trees are the best, Charlie says. Woods that naturally contain chemicals that inhibit the growth of other plants, such as walnut, should be avoided. Softwoods should be given a year to age before burying so the resins and saps have a chance to break down first, he adds.

The logs also retain moisture, so a hugelkultur garden, once wet, tends to stay wet.


Hugelkultur gardening is a method of growing on mounds of logs and twigs covered in other organic materials. Annual crops, berries and even trees can grow on the mounds.

Hugelkultur gardening is a method of growing on mounds of logs and twigs covered in other organic materials. Annual crops, berries and even trees can grow on the mounds. (photo: Courtesy of Charlie Nardozzi)


Alternative No-Dig Gardening Method: Keyhole Gardening

Keyhole gardening is a permaculture technique that uses a raised bed in a “C” shape, so there is a pathway in the middle like a keyhole. This maximizes planting space while allowing easy access to the garden from within the keyhole or around the perimeter. 

Dr. Deb Tolman, the founder of The SILO Project (Sustainable Information and Learning Opportunities) advocates the use of keyhole gardens. She uses cardboard and manure — and no native soil. A central basket is filled with kitchen scraps to continuously fertilize and water the garden. (Charlie recommends this video of Deb and children building a new keyhole garden with cement blocks, cardboard and phone books.)


Keyhole gardening is a permaculture technique that uses a raised bed in a “C” shape, so there is a pathway in the middle.

Keyhole gardening is a permaculture technique that uses a raised bed in a “C” shape, so there is a pathway in the middle. (photo: Courtesy of Charlie Nardozzi)


Alternative No-Dig Gardening Method: Ruth Stout

In the mid-20th century, Ruth Stout pioneered a type of no-dig gardening that involves keeping a deep layer of hay mulch on the garden permanently. Not only did the hay suppress weeds, her plants grew well.

This method is named after Ruth Stout and also known as the “no-work method” — because it is that easy.

Charlie notes that this can also be done with straw, leaves, or any organic materials a gardener has around the yard already. 

No-Dig Gardening in Urban Environments

No-dig gardening is a smart choice in urban environments or anywhere that planting in the native soil will be a risk.

“In urban soils, you can have all kinds of things underneath that soil layer, especially if you’re in a city or a town that’s been there for generations and generations,” Charlie says. “You have no idea what was there before.”

He says that once you start digging down, you might find not only contamination but physical objects, because builders often just bury stuff as they put up houses. 

To prevent contamination from working its way up or the plant roots from getting down into contaminated soil, you can also put a geotextile down on the native soil before building a garden on top.


No-dig gardens can provide a buffer between questionable native soil and the crops you grow.

No-dig gardens can provide a buffer between questionable native soil and the crops you grow. (photo: Courtesy of Charlie Nardozzi)


Test Soil for Silt, Clay and Sand Content

Before starting a garden, it’s good to know the composition of your soil: How much of it is silt, sand and clay. Each one has different characteristics, and the amount of each will affect how soil holds water or drains.

An easy method to find out the make-up of soil is known as the “jar test.” Take a quart jar with a lid, fill it a third of the way with soil, and then add water until the jar is nearly full. Add a dash of liquid dish soap to help the materials separate, then shake the jar vigorously for a minute. Let the jar sit for 48 hours, and then observe the different layers: Sand at the bottom, silt on top of the sand, and clay at the very top.

If you have 50% sand, you’ll know you’re going to be watering often because the water will drain through it, Charlie says. If you have 60% clay, you’ll know that the soil will need to be covered by mulch at all times.

Another method is known as the “ribbon test.” Charlie explains that it starts with a handful of soil. Wet it, squeeze it, and roll it between your palms — try to make a ribbon out of it. If you can’t make a ribbon, the soil is mostly sand. If you can make a small ribbon, the soil has plenty of clay in it. 

The “feel test” just involves rubbing soil between your fingers. If it’s gritty, it’s sandy. If it’s slick, it’s clay. “It’s pretty simple stuff, but sometimes the simplest stuff is the most helpful,” Charlie says.

The drainage test starts with digging a hole that’s 1 foot in diameter and 1 foot deep. Fill the hole with water and let it drain, then immediately fill it with water a second time. If the hole has completely drained a few hours later, the soil may be draining too fast. If eight hours or so later the water hasn’t drained at all, it’s probably not a good place to plant, especially a perennial, Charlie says. 

A slow-draining site that is sunny and meets other criteria can still be used for a garden, but you’ll have to build the soil up rather than digging down, he adds.

Hardpan Metal Rod Test

Another test Charlie recommends will determine if there is hardpan underneath the topsoil. Hardpan, or soil pan, is a soil layer that water doesn’t move through. They don’t call it hardpan for nothing — it’s rockhard. Most roots will not be able to penetrate hardpan, and the garden will not drain as it should.

The “hardpan metal rod test” starts with a metal rod, like a length of rebar. If you stick the rod into the ground and it will only go 8 or 10 inches deep before it stops, you’ve either hit a rock or hardpan. Repeating the test in multiple spots will help you distinguish between a random rock and a consistent hardpan.

Related to hardpan is “tiller pan,” which is created after years of tilling soil. Running a tiller over a garden will create soft, fluffy soil only as deep as the tines of the tiller, and the soil underneath becomes compact in the process.


A raised bed garden is an example of no-dig gardening.

Gardening on top of the native soil rather than in it can overcome many challenges. (photo: Courtesy of Charlie Nardozzi)


If you haven’t already listened to my conversation with Charlie Nardozzi on no-dig gardening, you can do so now by scrolling to the top of the page and clicking the Play icon in the green bar under the page title.

Do you have success practicing no-dig gardening? Let us know in the comments below.

Links & Resources

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Episode 110: Why Mulch Matters in Every Garden: What You Need to Know

Episode 116: Understanding the Soil Food Web, with Dr. Elaine Ingham

Episode 123: No-Dig Gardening, with Charles Dowding: A Convincing Case for Easier, More Productive Results

Episode 124: Using Compost the Charles Dowding Way: More Than Just a Great Soil Amendment

Episode 148: Gardening in Straw Bales: An Easy & Inexpensive Solution to Make Growing Food More Accessible for All

Episode 153: The Science Behind Great Soil

joegardenerTV YouTube: No-Till Gardening: If You Love Your Soil, Ditch the Tiller

joegardener free resource: “The Complete Guide to Home Composting”

joegardener Online Gardening Academy™: Three popular courses on gardening fundamentals; managing pests, diseases & weeds; and seed starting.

joegardener Online Gardening Academy Master Seed Starting: Everything you need to know to start your own plants from seed — indoors and out. 

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0 Responses to “194-Easy No-Dig Gardening, with Charlie Nardozzi”

  • John Longard says:

    Hey Joe, what’s this geotextile that is repeatedly mentioned today? In our community garden we have Bermuda grass in some of our paths which likes to creep under the boards that frame our plots. Trenching helps for a short time. We’ve put down cardboard and wood chips around the paths, but that didn’t work. I would love to have no-dig for the paths. Any thoughts?

  • Patricia Habbyshaw says:

    Good Morning Joe ! I have to share this with you as I found it very funny…And Calming/Relaxing/Confirming !!!
    As I read (I’m a visual learner) your podcast, I hear the words in my head with my voice…Then after reading awhile, the voice turns into Your Voice !!!! I guess I’ve been listening to you for a while now so you just take over in my head ! I’ve been doing no till for 2 years now in my raised beds. Love that it cuts down on the heavy work of tilling and lets mother nature take her course. Every year, the soil gets better and better !

  • angelrob says:

    I didn’t know Ruth Stout’s name, but several years ago I convinced my husband to not till the garden. We take all of the leaves from the yard (and sometimes neighbors’ yards 😉 and put them on the garden after harvest is done. Mow back and forth over them to break it up a bit. It’s become the best soil I’ve ever had in a garden. To plant, I just pull a small furrow in the leaves and sprinkle potting soil over the seeds, or dig a small hole for seedlings, From fighting weeds and not being able to grow carrots (the soil was too hard, too shallow), I now get beautiful roots, fruits, and shoots, and the only weed that is still coming up is the weed grass that has established over the years. I’m gradually pulling that, but at least I don’t have to deal with new seedlings every spring!

  • Forrest Jones says:

    Joe, you know that I am a loyal follower. I think that I have known you long enough to offer some advice. So here it is:
    LOL , I suffer from the same affliction. But you know that I am a double dig convert and I love hearing the no til philosophy repeated often for those who have not discovered it yet. Thanks, I am playing catch up again.

  • Forrest Jones says:

    I am wondering the same thing John. I have seen various geotextiles used in road construction, but I was wondering what Charlie uses. I have found that carboard can get slippery in paths when covered with wood chips or leaves.

  • Kristen says:

    I don’t have a keyhole garden, but is there any reason I shouldn’t put this kitchen scraps compost system in my own garden?

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