135-Backyard Chickens: Benefits and Challenges for Gardeners, with Lisa Steele

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For many gardeners (myself included), the passion for producing our own food and caring for the natural world around us leads us to another hobby – keeping backyard chickens. My guest this week, Lisa Steele, is the go-to authority on that subject. Lisa discusses many aspects of keeping backyard chickens, including the benefits and challenges for gardeners.

A fifth-generation chicken keeper, Lisa has been enjoying the never-boring world of backyard chickens for most of her life and has shared her expertise through television, six books and a popular blog on the subject. I’ve had chickens at the GardenFarm™ for over seven years and been an admirer or Lisa’s practical advice for much longer.


Lisa Steele

Lisa is a fifth-generation keeper of chickens. Fortunately for us, she enjoys sharing her experiences and knowledge. (photo: Darlene Terry, Whimsical Years Photography)


Behind the Quirky Charm

If you’ve never spent much time around chickens, the idea of having your own flock might be a little idealized. Yes, these quirky birds are packed with personality and can stake quite a claim on your heart, but the truth is, they can be destructive too.

Lisa says chickens are like little garden tools. Their daily habits of scratching and pecking to hunt for insects serve to rototill, aerate and fertilize the garden. Unfortunately, chickens aren’t necessarily known for their manners. So, they are just as likely to scratch up your newly-planted seedlings as to help keep your pest population in check.

Where there are chickens, there will also be predators. So in spite of our best efforts, loss is inevitable. That can be difficult to bear, because when you keep a flock of backyard chickens, you also – inevitably – become deeply attached to each and every one.

It doesn’t matter if you live in a rural area or an urban neighborhood, the threats to chicken safety are everywhere – the neighbor’s dog, an opportunistic hawk, a prowling coyote, etc. My heart has suffered the loss of many beloved chickens over the years. This year has been particularly rough, including the loss of my small but mighty rooster Reggie and joegardener fan-favorite – Louie the rooster.

Keeping chickens is rewarding and low maintenance. Just be prepared to weather a little bit of heartbreak along with the joy and gardening benefits.


chickens in the garden

A backyard flock of chickens will keep you entertained and provide a number of benefits to the garden, but you will need to be prepared for a little damage and heartbreak too. (photo: Darlene Terry, Whimsical Years Photography)


Feathered Garden Tools

Have you ever tasted a freshly-lain egg? If you have, you know that the fresher, the better. It’s also true that the eggs from chickens which are allowed to forage and roam (as chickens were meant to) are packed with more nutrients as a result. Thicker eggshells and a yellower yolk are evidence of tastier and healthier eggs, and even a small backyard flock can provide plenty for your table.

For most gardeners though, the greatest benefit of keeping chickens is the manure. It is garden gold.

As chickens wander your garden and leave their manure behind, it’s scattered sparsely enough to provide more benefit than harm. However, don’t make the mistake of cleaning out the coop and adding all that manure material directly to your garden beds. It is packed with so much nitrogen, that it will burn your plants. Collected chicken manure needs time to mellow.

In my coop, I use wood shavings (sawdust) as bedding material. The chicken manure and sawdust combine, which makes cleaning the coop easier, but it also creates the perfect compost addition.

The manure is high in nitrogen and, so, considered a green material in the world of composting. The sawdust is considered a brown material – meaning a source of carbon. When I clean out the coop each week or two, I add the manure and sawdust mixture to my compost pile.

I don’t worry about green versus brown ratios in my compost bin. I know that, as the compost heap breaks down, the manure and sawdust combine beautifully with the other materials, and in about two months, I have rich finished compost to feed my soil. It keeps my soil rich in nutrients to feed my plants.

The compost here at the GardenFarm is amazing, and the manure and bedding from my chickens is a big reason why.


Joe Lamp'l at the GardenFarm

I love keeping chickens here at the GardenFarm, and their manure really kicks the nutrient power of my compost up a few notches.


Lisa uses a different approach, called the “deep litter” technique. She places a layer of sawdust or straw in the coop as bedding, but instead of cleaning it out each week and starting fresh, she turns it over (mixes it up) and adds more bedding material as needed. In essence, she is composting all that material in place.

Turning it over infuses everything with the oxygen it needs to break down. Meanwhile, the regular addition of fresh bedding (brown material) and manure (green material) work together to decompose as any compost heap would. In the process, the deep litter bedding generates heat to keep the coop warm.

Studies have shown that the microbes promoted by the deep litter method keep chickens healthier through winter too. Another benefit is in time saved, of course. Lisa only cleans out the coop once or twice a year – in spring and, sometimes, in fall.

If you’re a clean freak, like I am, you might worry that the deep litter method will cause the coop to smell. As long as the bedding material and manure are turned over (mixed together) periodically for oxygen to keep the decomposition process humming, odors won’t be an issue. Turning once a week is optimal, and after a few months, you’ll discover a beautiful layer of soil-like material at the bottom of your coop’s bedding.

At that point, the decomposition has also mellowed out the nitrogen, so you can add it all directly to your garden just like you would any other form of compost. How great is that? You get an egg and compost factory working right in your own backyard.


chicken coop

This small coop and the chickens in residence will provide your household with fresh eggs and the ideal composting ingredients.


Pest Management System

Bugs might love your garden, but chickens do a great job loving the bugs right out of your garden. Chickens will eat grubs, beetles, ticks, earthworms, crickets, and more. They’ll even eat small snakes.

Now if you’ve been following me for very long, you probably know by now that only about 3% of the bugs in your garden are the bad guys. The rest are either neutral or beneficial, good-guy insects.

Should you worry that the chickens are eating the beneficials? Well, your flock will feast on good guys as well as bad guys, but the natural balance means there’s more pro to chicken foraging than there is con.

Instead, it’s damage to your plants that’s cause for concern. Be prepared to take some precautionary measures to prevent your flock from causing havoc as they hunt and peck.

At the GardenFarm, my chickens have the run of the place all day. In between growing seasons, they enjoy the empty beds. They take dirt baths in the loose soil and scratch the surface to get at grubs and other bugs. I enjoy that they are reducing the number of pests lurking in the beds and gently loosening the top inch or two of the surface.

However once I’ve sown seeds and planted seedlings, I’m not so keen on my chickens helping themselves. Tender seedlings are like a tasty all-you-can-eat buffet for chickens, and It doesn’t take them long to undo a couple of hours gardening work.

The split rail fence around the garden is not an effective deterrent. The chickens won’t fly over it, but they’ve learned to hop up onto the rail and down into the garden.


chicken at the GardenFarm

My chickens have learned to hop onto the top of the split rail fence surrounding my raised beds, so they can hop down into the garden.


Thank goodness for livestock panels. I realized a few years back that placing a panel over the raised beds allowed plants room to grow up between the galvanized metal grid, but the metal created a barrier to deter the chickens from scratching the soil surface. As a side benefit, the cats had to find themselves another litter box too.

Lisa offers some other suggestions for protecting a garden from chickens’ destructive tendencies.

If I were to add some sort of flexible netting to the top of my split rail fence, the flimsy material wouldn’t support the weight of the chickens. That way, they wouldn’t be able to perch on the fence and drop down into the garden. Inexpensive plastic netting can also be an effective barrier to corral prized plants or areas that need some temporary protection.

If you prefer not to use livestock panels, chicken wire can be an effective alternative for placing over the soil surface to deter scratching.

Unlike the family pet, you won’t be able to train your chickens to stay out of certain areas. These birds don’t have a good sense of smell, so they will be unaffected by any sort of repellent spray. That means barriers are the only effective solution for protecting plants from your foraging flock.

Lisa has gone the extra mile for her chickens and garden. Trying the out-of-sight-out-of-mind approach, she planted her food garden on the side of her home that was opposite from the chicken coop. Then, she planted a small garden near the coop just for her chickens, where they can take dust baths and forage all they like.

Lisa’s chickens still get into her food garden, but she feels they focus more of their potentially damaging activity in the chicken garden.


chickens in the garden

Lisa planted a garden area specifically for her flock – where they can forage and take the dust baths they love in the loose soil. (photo: Darlene Terry, Whimsical Years Photography)


Chicken Care Basics

Even if your chickens are allowed to forage and feed on insects throughout the day, they will require a supplemental food source to meet nutritional needs. There are different types of feed available, so it’s important to choose the right feed for the right stage in the life of your chickens.

You can’t necessarily rely on the advice of staff at your local feed store. As with all things, it’s important that you do a little research. Be an educated consumer, so you can make smart choices for your chickens, just as you do for your garden.

Lisa recommends looking for organic, non-GMO feed options. She confirms that feeds available to the homeowner don’t include hormones, antibiotics or any other ingredient that might be of concern for composters.

Baby chicks require a lot of protein – provided by what’s referred to as “starter feed.” There isn’t any medication in what’s called “medicated starter feed.” That indicates the feed includes a vitamin B blocker which strengthens young chicks’ immune systems.

Once they reach the eight-week mark in their development, they need “grower feed” to provide the proper nutrient levels until they are mature enough to begin laying eggs – at 18-20 weeks of age.

Hens of laying age require more calcium to support the formation of eggshells. That’s provided by “layer feed,” which also includes the higher nutrient content needed to support daily egg production.

Each chicken will require about a half cup of food per day. Free-range chickens will eat less than that, thanks to the nutrients they gain by foraging for insects; but they should still be provided access to the supplemental feed.


How much freedom you provide your flock during the day will depend on your tolerance level for inevitable loss to the predators roaming your urban or rural neighborhood. (photo: Darlene Terry, Whimsical Years Photography)


Fresh water is, of course, critical too. Your flock should always have water nearby throughout the day, and Lisa recommends adding apple cider vinegar as an immune system boost.

Like an organic gardener, Lisa prefers to care for her flock as naturally as possible. She’s found that adding a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar per gallon of water just a couple of times each week keeps the respiratory and immune systems of her chickens healthier.

To keep a cleaner coop and to prevent attracting rodents, Lisa provides food and water to her chickens outside only, and clearly, her flock is happy and healthy with that arrangement.

Proper Shelter

No matter how much freedom they might seek during the day, chickens are instinctively driven to a sheltered roosting spot as the sun goes down. Lisa uses that natural impulse to her advantage.

It’s not a matter of if your chickens will fall victim to predators. It’s a matter of when they will. Loss is inevitable, and trust me on this, it will hurt your heart every time.

Lisa lost chickens to a fox years ago. She vowed she would never allow it to happen again. The memory of that loss is why she is super vigilant with her flock. She allows them to free range only on afternoons when she can be physically present with them as protection.

Afternoons are ideal, since the flock gathers itself at the end of the day. Also, Lisa has noticed there tend to be fewer hawks and other aerial predators out hunting later in the day.

It might not be practical to invest afternoons protecting your free-ranging flock. So, how much (if any) free-range time you allow will depend on your lifestyle and tolerance for loss. Keeping chickens is a responsibility, but it also needs to be practical for you.

My GardenFarm chickens roam freely all day. I’m not able to devote specific periods to stand guard, and I prefer to allow the flock more freedom to forage.


Reggie and flock at the GardenFarm

Reggie – the handsome little white fellow – was one proud and confident rooster. He definitely ruled the flock at the GardenFarm. Even much-larger Louie was no match for Reggie’s valiant spirit. Unfortunately, Reggie was no match for the neighbor’s prowling dog. Losing a beloved member of your flock never gets easier.


In my rural area, there are lots of predators to contend with. This year, it was a neighbor’s dog that caused the most loss. Fortunately, the owner was sensitive to the problem and took preventative measures. In recent months, something else has been prowling the area, resulting in the disappearance of a few more of my flock.

I’ve never experienced as much death as I’ve dealt with since keeping chickens at the GardenFarm. I make sure to provide a secure coop and take as many precautions as practically possible. Unfortunately, there are always elements outside of our control in the natural world.

The only element you can control is the security of your coop. You just can’t take too many precautions when it comes to coop construction.

A coop needs a window or two for air circulation, but those are also potential openings for hungry predators. So, secure windows using welded wire, and add latches to lock them down. Lisa recommends taking the extra step of securing window latches and the door with carabiners to keep out crafty predators like raccoons.

Consider adding a flashing solar predator light to the coop as a scare tactic. Not only can it deter anything looking for a chicken dinner, Lisa has found they keep deer out of her garden too.

Periodically, check coop windows and doors for damage. At least a couple of times a year, I’m repairing holes created by the determined efforts of coyotes, raccoons and other wiley hunters.

Even when you think you’ve taken every precaution possible, it only takes one tiny window of opportunity to lose a member of your flock. When something does strike, identifying the enemy can prevent more loss. Trail cams are a widely available and relatively inexpensive way to see what’s taking place during the dark of night.

Most predators will scope out a situation before they attack. So, a trail cam on or near the coop provides a “heads up” that trouble is lurking, or it can show you what you are dealing with and any potential weaknesses in the coop.


Lisa Steele and chickens

Lisa spends afternoons outdoors with her chickens. It’s the only time she allows them to free-range, because she prefers to be on hand to protect them from predators. (photo: Darlene Terry, Whimsical Years Photography)


Whether you build your own coop or buy one, there are all kinds of options for security and convenience. Here again, it pays to do a little homework. You might not need all the bells and whistles that, at first glance, appear to be so necessary.

Automatic door openers are a good example. Whether or not you need one, depends on your lifestyle. If you won’t always be home by dusk, a solar door can be a great option. The door opens at sunrise and closes as night falls, once the chickens have instinctively gathered inside.

On the other hand, you may be like Lisa. She prefers opening the door in the morning and closing it herself at night. My daughter, Amy, does the same here at the GardenFarm. Some of us just feel more comfortable using the opportunity to do a headcount of the flock every night and to keep an eye on the overall security and state of the coop.

Automatic doors just might keep something in that you don’t want. Other wildlife – like, owls, possums, snakes, or the neighborhood cat – can wander in during the day and get locked into the coop with your chickens thanks to an automatic door. So, be sure to weigh the pros and cons of this type of convenience.

Lisa also cautions against heating a coop. Here in Atlanta, I never have to worry much about protection from the cold. Lisa, on the other hand, lives in Maine where winters are serious business.

Initially, she wasn’t sure how much cold her flock could tolerate. One morning, temperatures dropped more than expected. A bitter -16 degrees (not factoring in windchill) left Lisa sure that she would open the coop to find all her chickens dead. To her relief, they all walked out seemingly unfazed.

Lisa has found that the temperatures inside her coop tend to stay around 20 degrees warmer than outside. That is, in part, thanks to the heat generated by the deep litter method.

Become familiar with the conditions inside your coop. Chickens are surprisingly durable little creatures. Odds are good that you don’t need to provide supplemental heat. Even without the warmth from deep litter, the collective body heat of the flock in the small space provides a lot of protection.

Chicken coops have been known to burn down as a result of a heat source, so it’s best to avoid heating the space.

Lisa has noticed that, during the coldest winter days, the chickens eat and drink quickly outside – then head back into the warmer environment of the coop. She uses a heated dog bowl to keep water from icing over during the day. When she shuts the flock up at night, she dumps out the water and refills it the next morning as the chickens start their day.



When it comes to cold, chickens are very resilient. During particularly harsh conditions, they prefer to spend most of their day huddled in the naturally-warmer environment of the coop. (photo: Darlene Terry, Whimsical Years Photography)


The Most Difficult Challenge

Chickens can be a little destructive and require a bit of attention to provide for their safety and well-being, but generally, chickens are very easy to care for. They do well in urban environments too, because they tend to be quiet and don’t need much space to thrive. That’s true of hens. Roosters are a different story.

Roosters are noisy. Period. They don’t crow one majestic time at the break of day. They crow all day long. You’ve probably heard Louie the rooster interjecting in at least one of my podcast recordings, and he loved to sound off while the crew and I were filming episodes of Growing a Greener World® or how-to videos for my YouTube channel.

Was it annoying? Sometimes it was, but he held a special place in my heart nonetheless. If I had neighbors in close proximity, they probably wouldn’t have found Louie’s vocal exercises quite as endearing. Roosters are loud.

They also terrorize the hens. A rooster will chase his hens constantly, and his sharp claws will tear out feathers and even draw blood from the backs of his brood. Did you know that there are tiny aprons available for sale that are meant to be secured around a hens waist to cover her back for protection? Neither did I – until I had roosters.

We can’t really blame them. After all, it’s a rooster’s job to control “his” flock and to – ahem – fertilize eggs for a future generation. It’s what he was born to do. Unfortunately, it’s very difficult to tell when it is a “he” that is born.


Louie the rooster at the GardenFarm

Louie was one proud rooster, and he had a knack for sounding off while I was recording a podcast or video. Losing him to some mysterious predator was a difficult blow this year.


Those cute, yellow balls of cheeping fluff gathered in heated pens at the local feed store all look the same – in every way. Future hen or future rooster? It takes a professional eye and a magnifying glass to tell the difference in the early stages of life, because the sex organs of chickens are internal.

Feed stores take steps to separate female chicks for sale, but it’s not uncommon for a future rooster to get mixed in with the crowd. Do you plan to hatch any of the eggs produced by your flock? It’s inevitable that you will find yourself with unwanted roosters.

Unfortunately, it can be difficult to find roosters a welcoming new home. I’ve tried to put them up for adoption on Craigslist and similar sites, but there are few takers. Most backyard chicken keepers are in the same boat – preferring hens and avoiding roosters. It is, hands down, the single worst issue when it comes to keeping chickens.

For that reason, it’s a good idea to avoid hatching eggs yourself, and when purchasing chicks, buy from a reputable hatchery or online supplier.

There are color-sexing breeds – meaning the males and females look different at birth – but those tend to be production breeds, rather than what most people consider to be the desirable breeds for a backyard flock.

Remember that any change in population will impact the flock’s social structure. Your chicken flock, no matter how large or small, is organized by a pecking order. New chickens won’t be easily accepted by the existing group. In fact, chickens will sometimes kill new intruders because of the threat to the pecking order.

So anytime you add a chick or adult bird to your flock, you need to take some safety precautions. Lisa recommends against adopting adult birds, because they can introduce disease into your flock.



If you hatch eggs, you will inevitably find yourself with roosters. About half of all eggs will be male.


She prefers to hatch eggs under a hen in her flock. The new chick will be adopted by the group immediately.

When that’s not an option, she takes care to only add chicks which are 8-9 weeks old. She shelters the new chicks in a starter coop for about two weeks. The starter coop is placed next to the chicken run, so all the birds can become familiar with each other before physical contact is possible. Only after that get-to-know-you time does Lisa incorporate the new chick with the rest of the flock.

Late winter or early spring is the best time to introduce new chicks, depending on where you live. Some feed stores have begun promoting fall “chick days,” but unless you live in a mild climate, chicks aren’t up for the challenges of winter. In her cold Maine climate, Lisa avoids adding chicks any later than early spring, because she wants to be sure the chicks have time to develop adult feathers before the winter cold sets in.

Gardening with Your Flock

Your chickens will gobble up any pests you pick off garden plants or seedlings you thin from your early season beds. They’ll also appreciate some of your crops more than others. Plants that Lisa recommends as being good for your flock include:

  • Garlic – Lisa adds a crushed garlic clove to the chickens’ water supply a couple of times each week for its respiratory and immune system benefits.
  • Pumpkins & Cucumbers – Although Lisa hasn’t seen evidence to prove it, these plants are believed to act as natural wormers.
  • Melons, Squash, Peas, Leafy Greens – These crops don’t provide any health benefits, but chickens love them. Beet and turnip greens are also particular favorites.

Lisa recommends against letting chickens near white potatoes (sweet potatoes are safe) or members of the Nightshade family of plants – like tomatoes, peppers, and eggplant. These plants won’t cause death, but they aren’t good for chicken health.


Chicks at a feed store

Unless you live in a mild climate, it’s best to add chicks only in late winter or early spring, so they have time to develop adult feathers for protection against winter cold.


A good way to remember what not to give your chickens is the ingredients in guacamole. You and I might love the combination of tomatoes, onions, citrus, and avocado that make up that Mexican dip; but they are all potentially harmful to your chickens.

A Gardener’s Addiction

The little bit of effort your backyard chickens will require from you is well worthwhile. On average, you will spend about five minutes every morning and evening, along with a little time once each week or two to clean the coop.

In return, these industrious creatures will entertain you, eat pests for you, improve soil health, and provide eggs for your table. Once they become a part of your lifestyle, you will probably be hooked forever. I am.

Along with Louie and Reggie, my flock has been made up of a ragtag host of memorable characters through the years. Who have been some of the standouts of your backyard chicken keeping? I’m betting you have at least a story or two to share, and I hope you do just that – in the Comments section below.

I also hope you’ll be sure to listen to my conversation with Lisa by scrolling to the top of the page and clicking the Play icon in the green bar under the page title. If you have chickens or are thinking of adding some to your little corner of the world, trust me – you are going to want to get to know Lisa Steele, and our chat is a great place to start. Then, check out her books, blog, and social channels. They’re all linked below for easy reference.

Links & Resources

Episode 016: Composting Guide A to Z: The Quick and Dirty on Everything Compost

Episode 106: Livestock Panels: Top 10 Uses in the Garden for This Versatile Material

joegardener Blog: The Benefits of Backyard Chickens to Your Compost

joegardenerTV YouTube

joegardenerTV: Easy-to-Use Features for Backyard Chicken Coop

joegardenerTV: How to Build a Chicken Coop

joegardenerTV: Understanding Egg Labels – Which Options are Humane?

joegardener Online Academy: Master Pests, Diseases, and Weeds – Just $47 for lifetime access! Watch for my new course on seed starting coming soon!

joegardener Newsletter

joegardener Facebook

joegardener Facebook Group

joegardener Instagram

joegardener Twitter

Growing a Greener World®

Fresh Eggs Daily, by Lisa Steele

Fresh Eggs Daily – Lisa Steele’s popular website and blog

Lisa Steele’s Other Books, Plus Chicken-keeping Tools and Resources

Building Chicken Coops For Dummies, by Todd Brock

Corona® Tools – Our podcast episode sponsor and Brand Partner of

Pete and Gerry’s Organic Eggs – Podcast episode sponsor and Brand Partner of


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About Joe Lamp'l

Joe Lamp’l is the creator and “joe” behind joe gardener®. His lifetime passion and devotion to all things horticulture has led him to a long-time career as one of the country’s most recognized and trusted personalities in organic gardening and sustainability. That is most evident in his role as host and creator of Emmy Award-winning Growing a Greener World®, a national green-living lifestyle series on PBS currently broadcasting in its tenth season. When he’s not working in his large, raised bed vegetable garden, he’s likely planting or digging something up, or spending time with his family on their organic farm just north of Atlanta, GA.

0 Responses to “135-Backyard Chickens: Benefits and Challenges for Gardeners, with Lisa Steele”

  • John Longard says:

    Well I told my wife that we can have a pet at the condo, but she said no to a chicken. I’m doubtful that I can get one for the community garden. I just got them to agree that putting our Christmas tree out in the garden with strung popcorn, dried cranberries and suet was a good idea for helping our feathered friends. Ill be cutting its branches for pea supports and I’ll use its trunk to support vining flowers. So I better not push things. Some thought I was crazy to suggest not doing a complete fall clean out to host beneficial insects. I had to document expert authority (thanks, to Rebecca Walliser) to get that through.
    Have a blessed Christmas!
    John the Heretic Longard

  • Joe Lamp'l says:

    What? No pet chicken for the condo???
    Well, I suppose that’s not unreasonble. Although, my favorite chicken of all was born in a elementary school classroom and raised by one of the students in an apartment for 2 years I think before we were the lucky recipients!
    Have a Merry and blessed Christmas my friend!

  • Forrest Jones says:

    Joe, I would love to have chickens. Karen and I always admire P Allen’s chickens when he shows them. But with grown children who live away we are gone too often to take that on. Our niece was gifted chickens with her new house. I was fascinated to see the hierarchy first hand, even between chickens of the same size, when they climbed the step type roost. She said that they wait their turn and all perch in the exact same place every night. I was disappointed to hear about Louie. He was one handsome rooster. It was fun to hear him during the podcast on a day at the farm. I am curious Joe, what is the natural life span of a chicken?
    I am going to try out those predator lights for deer, lets compare notes on that after we give them a try Joe, and thanks for that tip Lisa.
    Congrats to you and your team on another great year of Growing A Greener World and the joe gardener show, the programs that still have the “G” in them.
    Best wishes to you and yours for a Happy Holiday Season. I will be right back here with you in 2020.

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